Gay marriage in Catholic Ireland, and it seems like there's lot of gays in USA

Big win in Ireland, which becomes the first country to approve gay marriage by popular vote. I don't believe in putting civil rights to a popular vote, but it worked out spectacularly this time, with the vote every bit as lopsided as the polls going in. (Polls on gay issues have traditionally not translated with accuracy to the ballot box.)

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/23/europe/ireland-refe … index.html

And then what to make of this weird poll. Americans seem to think the country is close to 25 percent gay! Boy, I guess this reflects the media exposure we've been getting in recent years, but it also reflects rather poorly on how informed the American people are. We are actually closer to 5 percent of the population rather than 25. So is this misperception a good or bad thing?

http://www.queerty.com/poll-americans-think-this- … s-20150522


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  • SO wonderful! Ireland showing the way seems just right to put the U.S. on the spot and especially our Supreme Court (all admirable interpreters of the law and Constitution, minus 2 or 3 hard core bigots).

    Ameirbear, thanks for your insight from having lived there. It helps us gain perspective.

    I know I have shown this graphic before, but now seems a great time to use it again.
    rjzip 05/27/2015 03:02 PM
  • Thanks for the insight, Ameirbear. Do you think the outcome surprised anyone (except the Catholic Church)? The polls showed same-sex marriage well ahead, and apparently all of the country's major politicians had endorsed it.

    I'm very hopeful the Supreme Court will give this country a quick and easy solution. If they don't, the issue will drag on for years, as states in which the GOP is ruled by the religious right will NOT change policy, regardless of what the polls in their states say. Texas politics are essentially governed by a hard-core right-wing minority that only makes up something like 15-20 percent of the population. It's ridiculous that a relatively small minority holds the state hostage, but that's the way it is here, and in a number of other GOP-dominated states.
    BearinFW 05/27/2015 04:44 AM
  • I lived in Ireland for 13 years until last year and watched a lot of the buildup to the referendum from the inside. There are some very powerful homophobes who have even finagled it so that it is tantamount to slander to call out bigots for their bigotry in public, in print or by broadcast, mostly by a precedent set my the State broadcaster RTE when they caved to the Iona Institute, a leading Catholic Church organization that dispenses repression as the RCC's surrogate attack dog. Activist Panti Bliss called them and some Op-Ed writers out for their blatant hatred in print while interviewed on air. Needless to say, pearls were duly clutched and gasps were loudly inhaled. With almost no public discussion, RTE, funded by the Television Tax, folded to demands of apology and compensation, which, in Ireland, is as good as a Supreme Court judgement. Well, until last Friday.

    There had been some discussion and much activism to bring marriage equality to a vote in the Dail, Ireland's House of Commons equivalent in the Eirachtas, the Irish Parliaent. This would have been to enhance the already enacted, but woefully inadequate civil partnerships legislation that had been on the books for several years. But, there had been a previous (Irish) Supreme Court ruling that interpreted the Constitution as failing to specify or authorize the genderless requirement necessary to enact Marriage Equality in Ireland. For that reason, a plebiscite authorizing a change to the Constitution was necessary.
    ameirbear 05/27/2015 02:22 AM
  • bearlyy
    Thanks for the corrections 1) I meant Hibernian not Iberian and 2) You would certainly know your Irish history better than I.
    MachineToole 05/25/2015 01:20 AM
  • In full agreement here… It appears that it is in the human nature not to think arguments through fully. 25% of the population being LGBT is a ludicrous statement when the norm found throughout nature in all other mammals is 5% to 10%. On one side it is wishful thinking and on the other side it would be impossible for a perfect god to allow any LGBT at all. As imperfect humans created the gods in their own image it becomes a justification like everything else dealing with a god. When in doubt claim it is god’s will and that ends the argument being that it requires that leap-of-faith…. (A chicken is a fish if you believe it to be so.)

    The big change in Catholic Ireland, from my perspective, is the pope. Being a Jesuit he questions doctrine as it is one of the basic principals of that Christian sect. They, and therefore he, looks for the more simple answers to simple basic questions like ‘are all people of equal importance to their god’ and ‘should the imperfect human judge anothers.’ The local Iberian Catholic leaders needed to direct hate towards others so that their own blistering ungodlinesses were kept hidden. Their stone and stained-glass cathedral screens have been crumbling with the exposing of the women of Ireland's Magdalene Laundries Run by the Sisters of Our Lady of Charity Convents, as well as the Irish priest sexual abuse scandals. They have not done well to direct their religion as a unifying force of harmony in their own country either.

    Perhaps the Northern Irish people hit their bottom and had to finally face their reality that it was justification using the hate that their church was offering in the guise their body and blood of Christ on the sabbath. They have begun their twelve steps of recovery where their higher power was nothing more than a justification for them to drink the lies they were served upon their own requests. I hope their recovery succeeds better than the percentages of their Alcoholics Anonymous equivalent and I also hope that this possible success story will inspire other countries with similar addictions to do the same especially here in the USA.
    MachineToole 05/24/2015 12:10 PM