NRA: put armed guards in schools

Well we don't have to worry about the world ending because of the NRA. Given the chance to be a lead player on reform in the aftermath of Shady Hook they have instead decided to stand pat and play obstructionist, ensuring that absolutely nothing will be done. If you haven't heard the NRA's solution is to put armed marshals in all schools and blame the media instead of gun owners for mass shootings.

Pathetic. There should be a special place in hell for these people because of all the kids they have killed. Yes as surely as if they pulled the trigger themselves. And now, given the chance to act to save children in the future they instead will block any effort to do so. What a bunch of greedy horrible people.


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  • Great piece, furball, and must reading for anyone who may think the NRA's relationship with the Republican Party is only about guns.

    The NRA and the GOP are one and the same thing. One is an arm for the other. But who's in control?
    BearinFW 12/27/2012 03:39 PM
  • Speaking of the Republican party being intertwined with the NRA--here's an excellent piece from Linda Greenhouse: http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/26/t … he-bench/. It's a drag, as excellent and extremely smart legal minds are never going to exercise their considerable skills only for what is a perceived threat to the NRA.
    furball 12/27/2012 02:37 PM
  • I thought Gregory was a little overly (and artifically?) confrontational, but then, I'm from a part of the country that doesn't care for that style.

    He could have come off as less aggressive and still asked the same hard questions.

    However, let's don't play "Shoot the messenger." LaPierre wouldn't have said anything substantially different even with a more congenial questioner.
    BearinFW 12/24/2012 03:38 PM
  • Erly please you lost the election and the world did not end so you need to just move on and let all of this anger go. The GOP won't allow abortions but it is OK for guns to be available everywhere? You can't carry a gun on a plane why not? You can't drive a car without a license and insurance why not? You can't get married if you are gay why not? I have to show ID to vote why? The GOP and the right want all this freedom yet they tend to restrict things more and more all the time why is that? Guns were everywhere in the wild west and tell me people were safer? I liked how La Puke had to tell us that feeling safer was the same as actually being safer. Really, I don't think so. Why is the right so afraid of everything? Maybe this idea of more mental health access is a good thing? Oh yeah they don't want health coverage either! Merry Christmas!
    barney290 12/24/2012 10:04 AM
  • BTW, you all might be interested to know that, according to AP, there are an estimated 132,000 schools in the U.S. (99,000 public and 33,000 private). That's a lot of guards.
    BearinFW 12/23/2012 04:48 PM
  • OK, Erly. Agreed. Obama, like most politicians, was scared of the gun lobby and the gun issue. He was running for re-election and it was easier to look the other way.

    Even though I can't stand Republican politics, I'm not a Democratic apologist.

    But this time it's different. Obama isn't seeking re-election. And this is a mass shooting that, because it involves kids, has created a lot more national emotion. This time many Democrats aren't going to hold back.

    Erly, you know as well as I do that the NRA and the GOP are intertwined politically. On the issue of guns, the GOP takes its marching orders from the NRA. We'll see what gets proposed, but whatever it is it won't matter, because the GOP (and yes, a few Dems, too) is in the back pocket of the NRA and NOTHING will happen.

    Yeah, Obama should have tried to do something during his first term. But in all honesty, it wouldn't have mattered, as the gun lobby would have blocked it anyway. Just like it's going to this time.
    BearinFW 12/23/2012 12:13 PM
  • I watched Wayne LaPierre today on "Meet The Press." Boy, the NRA desperately needs a new spokesman. LaPierre is so bad that he's actually a good spokesman FOR gun control.

    But anyway, what his presence did reiterate, and it was confirmed by Sen. Lindsay Graham, is that NOTHING is going to be done in Congress on guns. Zilch. Nada. The NRA won't allow it, and the GOP won't cross the NRA.

    I imagine some Republicans will try to push the idea of security guards in schools (which, LaPierre confirmed, the NRA won't be spending a dime on). But where's the money going to come from? Won't happen.

    More money on mental health. Won't happen.

    My guess is there'll be some minor legislation on something trivial that will be touted as helping the problem. Maybe some kind of restriction on video games? But it won't help.

    Then there'll be another mass shooting. And people will say something should be done. And nothing will happen.

    And the NRA continues to try to scare gun owners (many of whom apparently don't pay attention to current events, like Supreme Court rulings) into believing that the government is going to take their guns.

    The host of "Meet the Press" had a good line. The NRA's position is the equivalent of trying to take on lung cancer without addressing cigarettes.
    BearinFW 12/23/2012 10:56 AM
  • put 5 cops in each school... and let them each have a pistol... then have one jerk show up with an automatic weapon like these other sickos had... who would you bet on??? Also, I'm betting most congressmen (women too) dont have balls enough to vote against the NRA... for purely financial reasons... they know where their bread has been buttered... in BLOOD unfortunately... Enough..
    crememan 12/23/2012 10:16 AM
  • Cause of course, the solution for traffic jams and increased vehicular accidents is to introduce even more vehicles onto the roads.
    aliencubby 12/23/2012 08:28 AM
  • I love the hyprocsiy Erly! If I a member of the NRA I am a law abiding,flag waving tuck my children in patriot but if I belong to a union I am some sort of communist mindless worker who pays dues to thugs? You spout that guns made this country free? Ask the native Americans at Wounded Knee how free guns made them? How about the Mexicans in Texas and California? How safe was the kid in Florida walking home from the store? We need to face up to the fact that guns and what they stand for no longer are relevant in a modern society. This mindset that I need to have guns to be free and protect myself from a duely elected government is old,baseless and non inclusive of those other Americans that don't own guns and are not in favor of having them so freely available to buy and use. Show me the statistics that prove you are freer or safer because of gun ownership? More innocent people are KILLED each year than people that are protected by the use of one in the hands of non-police carring people. I actually have talked with several police cheifs in my life and they will ALL tell you you are NOT safer with a gun in the house or in your car. The time is now to look at this and reasonably figure out how we move forward towards making life safer here in the US and it is not with the same old arguments that hold no water.
    barney290 12/23/2012 07:46 AM
  • I've been an off-and-on member of the ACLU, an organization that is every bit as big a lightning rod as the NRA, for the past 30 years or so.

    Criticism of it has never bothered me. After all, I don't have any input on the cases they choose. And hey, sometimes the criticism is even right :)
    BearinFW 12/23/2012 01:10 AM
  • OK so why such an ardent defense? Just because of the GOP ties?
    BearinFW 12/23/2012 12:49 AM
  • Did you not read all of what he said erly? Manchin has been outspoken and open about the need to approach reforms from many angles including gun control. That is not a position the very unreasonable NRA shares.

    I do not agree however that criticizing the NRA equates to criticizing all its members. NRA leadership undoubtedly does many things not all members agree with. I am a member of several organizations but do not consider criticism of them to be a personal affront.

    How many guns do you have erly?
    BearinFW 12/22/2012 11:59 PM
  • Interesting numbers from an AP story today. The U.S. averaged 85 gun deaths per day in 2010: 53 suicides, 30 homicides and two accidental shooting deaths. But guns don't kill people.
    BearinFW 12/22/2012 11:15 PM
  • LaPierre's news conference was rambling, paranoid and downright delusional.

    Look it wouldn't hurt to put guards on campus but its not the answer. There were armed officers at Columbine and Virginia Tech. We know how that turned out.

    The NRA is so detached from reality that I think even its supporters were shocked this time. I hope a lot of those members let them know it too. Meanwhile the NRA did no favors for its friends in Congress by failing to propose anything realistic or meaningful.

    OK Erly I have one for you. Why does the GOP oppose drugs? They don't kill people either. People kill themselves by using them.
    BearinFW 12/22/2012 07:38 PM
  • Four million people can have this sort of stranglehold on our senses? The NRA and those that support the idiotic ideas that more guns will make us safer is silly. We have more guns than we did in the 1960's and yet we have more killings so why aren't we safer? The one lone voice supporting this discussion doesn't even support the idea he just likes to stir the pot and take the side of lunacy so he can sit back and chuckle that he has once again written something that irks most sensible thinking people. How anyone can think that more guns is the answer can go south to Mexico and tell me how much safer those people are? How safe was Reagan,Giffords and the other thousands of Anericans that are victims every year? When are we going to say enough of the minority(tail) wagging the dog? I ma tired of the stupid arguments and think we need to say that as Americans we no longer need to live in fear of guns being used on innocents. Like Phillip so eloquently writes(he always does) this is a differnet time and we are no longer worried about bears,Indians and Brits endangering our lives. As an ex-member of the NRA they don't represent anything I believe in and more and more members are figuring that out also.
    barney290 12/22/2012 06:28 PM
  • I'll stand by my statement, Erly. It's because of the NRA that Mrs. Lanza had an assault weapon and hundreds of rounds of high-powered ammunition in large clips. Remember, those guns used to be illegal, but the NRA and its millions "persuaded" Congress not to renew the assault weapons ban. The NRA has the blood of thousands of children on its hands, and not just the 20 kids at Sandy Hook. And I don't want to hear any of this "guns don't kill people, people do" nonsense. I had lunch with a guy who owns a large number of guns and even he was disgusted by the NRA's idiotic press conference. I think the NRA has overplayed its hand this time. And Erly, are you just defending them because they give a bunch of money to Republicans? Even your friends can do something stupid. And the NRA did this time.
    BearinFW 12/22/2012 05:20 PM
  • As usual, Erly, you come up with something obscure to distract from the main point. Why is it relevant if there is a mass murdering NRA member or not? With 4 million members, I can guarantee you that there have been NRA members who have committed crimes. And NO, I'm not going to prove it because it's irrelevant.

    Personally, I don't have a big problem with putting armed cops in elementary schools (they're already in most urban high schools and many junior highs), except that it's unnecessary and a tremendous waste of money. An interesting conceit of gun owners is that they always assume that they could take down a mad man with an AR15. Well, how about the Fort Hood shootings. Yeah, someone finally did take down Hassan, but not until after he had killed 13 people. And there were guns all around there as well as professionally trained soldiers. Why does anyone think a single guard with a single handgun would necessarily stop something like Sandy Hook? Probably the guard would just wind up dead.

    But that aside, the big issue here is that the NRA had the chance to take the lead on a serious national issue. Instead they called a stunningly arrogant news conference at which they basically said we won't give an inch. No compromise AT ALL. No serious solutions AT ALL. I think even Republicans, judging by their silence, were stunned by the NRA's complete political tone deafness to the Sandy Hook shooting.
    BearinFW 12/22/2012 12:00 PM
  • and here I thought most republicans wanted a smaller government
    more cops in the schools sounds like bigger government to me, which means more government employees, more government run health care and whatever else it makes more of, except for sense
    goodgrief 12/22/2012 08:37 AM
  • We need to be burying our elected officials wtih e-mails,letters and phone calls! They listen to who is outraged enough to do that. For every e-mail they get they figure that at least 20 other voters thinks the same way but has not written. A phone call is 100 voters so we need to let these people know that "We are as mad as hell and we are not going to take it anymore"! Armed guards in schools? What about day care,malls,librairies,cruise ships,trains,buses etc? The right is so afraid of the government taking control this would just give it to them on a silver platter. Hell the Pentagon and the Neo-cons won't have to fight wars anymore overseas they can do it here.
    barney290 12/22/2012 08:08 AM
  • Contrary to NRA belief, the answer to the U.S. gun problem is NOT more guns. Of that, I feel confident.

    Most public buildings, in the sense of courts, jails, etc., already have armed guards and metal detectors. Some schools already have that as well.

    But I really wouldn't want this country to become like an armed camp, with armed guards/police/military everywhere you go. That would be a steep price to pay to give gun nuts their 2nd Amendment "rights."

    And yes, rjzip, the NRA and gun people have been great with coming up with all kinds of snappy slogans to promote gun rights/ownership. They sound good, but if you consider them more than superficially, they don't hold water.

    Republicans, so far, are being quiet on the NRA's "solution." I imagine even they were stunned by the brazenness of it. But I'm sure they will fall in line once they get over it.
    BearinFW 12/22/2012 12:42 AM
  • Makes sense to increase security at the entrance of schools and public buildings, with metal detectors and armed guards there, than let heavily armed guards inside the buildings where the chances of collateral damage is more. Take a lesson from the airport/government building security. But of course, the NRA wouldn't want THAT happening.
    aliencubby 12/22/2012 12:08 AM
  • Excuses is all we get. The gun lobby's logic is also lousy.
    rjzip 12/21/2012 08:05 PM
  • They plan to develop a training program. That's it. Look I'm not going to say increased security in schools would be a bad thing. Except for the funding issue it isn't. But it does nothing to address the broader issue of mass shootings, few of which happen at schools.

    The NRA had a chance to do something to address a major problem. Instead they chose to be part of the problem themselves. Sad but predictable.
    BearinFW 12/21/2012 07:25 PM
  • i noticed, too, that while the nra floated this plan they didn't utter a peep about helping to fund it. in a time when we can't afford to pay teachers, where is the money to come from to pay security?
    rae121452 12/21/2012 06:58 PM
  • Given what is happening on the fiscal cliff and now almost certainly nothing on guns despite public outrage, the GOP is putting itself in an extremely dangerous position politically. Their inaction may play well with their hardcore radical elements but it is a disaster for the American people.
    BearinFW 12/21/2012 06:38 PM
  • i read an interesting statistic today that while the number of people buying guns is going down, the number of guns being sold is going up. in other words, people already owning guns are stockpiling more. now, that's frightening to me.

    the politicians in washington are bought and paid for by the gun lobby. nothing will change until they're gone and out of power. we've all seen the power of the vote in the last year. if you want to really do something, work for change in washington. the nra and the gun fanatics are beyond help.
    rae121452 12/21/2012 06:22 PM