OK, and you guys think the right wingers have been tough on Obama ... That's just child's play. They're already getting *REAL* nasty with Hillary and she's not even running yet! If Hillary does run and (GASP!) even WIN, I can't imagine how vile things will get. Wouldn't blame her at all if she doesn't want to be bothered.
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And Hole, the folks you describe as being Hillary voters almost assuredly would be Republican voters in the general election. Do you *really* see her getting any of the religious right vote?
Now Hillary undoubtedly was the beneficiary of the "anybody but Obama" vote in the 2008 Dem primaries, but I wouldn't say she has the blue-collar type Dem vote wrapped up by any means.
That said, she won't get a pass like Obama did in 2012. You can bet she'll get a serious challenge from the left (Warren is a very possible challenger), which will be supported by many of the same people who got Obama elected in 2008. But a big difference between 2016 and that race: Hillary will do much better than 4 percent of the black vote.