i was so much older then, i'm younger than that now

bob dylan turned 71 yesterday. that's right, BOB DYLAN. how is this possible? it seems just a while ago that there was this geeky looking little guy, strumming a guitar and singing so incredibly badly that everyone thought it was a put on. we were coming out of the 50's, the age of fabian and brylcreem and talentless pop stars who looked really good no matter how vapid they were.
then bob showed up and the whole game changed. his early songs, the distillation of his reverence for woody guthrie and the harry smith anthology of roots music turned the folk world on its ear. here was a writer, basically a kid, writing elegant songs that sounded like they'd been around since the dust bowl. a little white kid from hibbing (no one knew THAT, tho) who gave the civil rights movement its anthem and then refused to be political. joan baez fell in love with him, the madonna of the folkies, and then spent the rest of her life pissed off that he left her.
when he went electric it was a national cause celebre '. the story circulated that pete seeger took an ax to the power cables back stage to keep him from electifying newport. he could have cared less. his hair was getting bigger and his sounds were getting more complex. remember puzzling over the REAL meaning of his lyrics, his life, even his album covers? did anyone ever solve the riddle of what that photo on "bringing it all back home" REALLY meant? first he wrote the proto white rap song, "subterranean homesick blues " giving john sinclair a name for his movement, then he wrote the definitive rock song...and he was still only in his early 20's. he was getting more spiteful, tho. he ripped a few old girlfriends to shreds, then went after edie sedgewick and the warhol hangers on in "like a rolling stone". by "positively fourth street", he was addressing the fans who thought he was the messiah. enough of this, already, even he said. did he really have a cycle accident in woodstock and almost die or was he just doing a greta garbo to escape everyone's expectations? when he resurfaced, the electric hair was gone and bob the folkie was back. and people were still sitting around discussing what his lyrics REALLY meant. he wasn't the messiah anymore, tho, so i guess his tactic worked. he refused to play woodstock even tho it was right in his backyard and he's never betrayed any regret...but one of the reasons that so many people showed up was the rumor that he'd be there to perform. then he went nashville and then he got born again and then he became a coke head and a womanizer. joan baez was still pissed off and john lennon still wanted to be him but he didn't notice, he was busy being bob.
now he's 71 and still on what he calls the endless tour. he doesn't care if you get his songs. he doesn't care of you understand his lyrics. he doesn't even care if you LIKE his songs. he's still busy, writing the soundtrack to our lives and just being bob.
and i still just want to dance beneath the diamond skies with one hand waving free, silhouetted by the sea.


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  • I screwed up. Peter Paul and Mary did "Leaving on Jet plane" thanks for the email and correcting my error.
    VARickbear 05/27/2012 11:41 AM
  • bearlyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy:

    http://www.guard ian.co.uk/music/2011/jan/10/rock-n-roll- read-last-rites

    here's an interesting guardian article from 2011 for you. how about we agree to disagree? i have no reservations that the world view of an 18 yr old is different from a 59 yr old or a 39 yr old, for that matter. and yes, the world has changed and i have changed, which is exactly my point. i'd be really happy for you to prove me wrong in my assertion but you haven't even addressed it. the popular music scene has changed, hip hop seems to set the trends rather than rock today, at least in the us. perhaps it's different where you are but i doubt it.
    please, give me examples of current rock stars who are working for change in the world (and NOT bono or sting, thank you very much) or gatherings of stars and fans that have the cultural impact of the same thing in the 60's and 70's...or the 50's, for that mattter-i'm old enough to remember the rock and roll riots from then.
    please, write your essay. i'd love to be proven wrong.
    rae121452 05/26/2012 08:08 AM
  • The folk-rock era was something to have experienced. Baez, Collins, Phil Ochs, Simon and Garfunkel and on and on. Even the old coffee houses with people sharing their poetry was amazing. I'm sure everyone has a song that was their anthem (of sorts) which spoke directly to their body and soul.
    Mine was by the Mama's and Papa's - Leaving on a Jet Plane. That song spoke to me in boot camp just before we all got our orders for first duty station.
    It is fitting that this comes up on this weekend. Remember our current and past military men and women.
    VARickbear 05/26/2012 07:26 AM
  • bearlly:

    probably the same year that "the beastie boys" got a contract? rock sickened around 1972 and suffered a lingering death until around 1983-85?
    my point is that you don't have any rock acts today that compare to the classic acts. i think the energy is gone. rock music isn't as ubiquitous as it was in the 50's, 60's and early 70's. it has no cultural resonance anymore. no one emulates today's rock stars, they don't set any fashions, the lyrics aren't quoted in the popular press. are there any acts today that have the cultural clout of the beatles and stones, the san francisco bands or the earlier rockabillies? even "rolling stone" magazine is a deadly bore, clear channel has destroyed radio and mtv and vh1 are nothing but crap tv shows. i'm sure that you can argue that there is some obscure band in rhode island or someplace doing authentic rock and roll but the chances of them ever becoming a cultural force are pretty grim. the beauty of rock and roll was that it wasn't elitist, it was a popular movement. and i still say it's dead, even if the corpse occasionally twitches.
    rae121452 05/25/2012 06:16 PM
  • You crack me up...yeah, I know what you mean, some people actually don't even listen to music, not really listen to it.
    My favorite Stones song, two of them, "You can't always get what you want" (how true, how true) and "Wild Horses". And tell that young guy he should listen to ALL of Leonard Cohen...if he heard U2 singing Hallelujah, he should hear Cohen sing it...and k.d. Lang makes me cry when she sings it...

    Would it make you cry if I told you I not only saw Joplin in SF, I met her? Makes me cry, everytime...what a fucking waste of talent, felt the same when I heard Amy Winehouse passed on, a waste...her duet with Tony Bennett is amazing though...and you know who else I love? Yep, the GaGa Lady...
    polarbare 05/25/2012 03:33 PM
  • ohmygodohmygodohmygod, polarbare...you said the st. janis joplin word!!! i'm still grieving and every oct 4th i spend the day in bed.
    and the stones...can you believe it? mick couldn't imagine "doing this when he's 30". not too long ago, ron wood said that they're talikng about going back into the studios because they have an idea for a new and different album. if i had to name the definitive rock song, for me it would probably be a stones song..."satisfaction"? "jumping jack flash"? "paint it black"? they're all definitive. and then there's bruce springsteen...........
    we did live througe a golden era. i talk about music with some younger people i work with and i was flabbergasted when a 22 year old asked me if i'd ever heard of leonard cohen. he'd just heard his new recording and was smitten. the same kid quotes dylan lyrics to me.
    they don't like it when i say rock is dead but it is.
    my personal likes span the 20th century, polarbare. i tend to get up every morning between 3 and 4 and that's when i listen to cd's. right now, in heavy rotation is a 3 disc set of female big band singers, a jolson retrospective, cher's gold, the essential michael jackson, a csn&y collection, the soundtrack from "masked and anonymous", "beatles for sale", a doris day retrospective (yes, doris day! in her early big band stuff her voice has such a dark undertone), an ella fitzgerald/louis armstrong recording, the ella fitzgerald songbooks, 2 iris dement cd's, all of the bessie smith catalogue....i could go on and on. i still have all of my lp's including the first one i ever bought in 1963 for $2.99 and i've run out of room for cd's.
    and if you don't have big brother and the holding company "live at winterland"...buy it. it's what "cheap thrills" was supposed to be before columbia stepped in.
    rae121452 05/25/2012 02:17 PM
  • So Dylan turned 71...thank whatever gods you believe in he is still alive and making music, and speaking of "rolling stones", can you believe the ugliest band in the world is still with us and still relevant with their music...my god, even Mick looks the same...

    Definitive rock album to me is and always will be "Dark Side of the Moon", even without being high, although back in the day, that never was a question....just a natural part of listening to music....interested in who you like, which you alluded to in your response to Bearly other than Dylan

    My god, what an era we went through:

    Janis Joplin
    Jim Morrison and the Doors
    Jefferson Airplane (in all their name changes)
    Hendrix
    Beatles (what incredilble lyrics they wrote...talk about poetic)
    Jethro Tull
    and the beat goes on...

    You know, I think I'll throw on some Pink Floyd right now

    Oh, and don't get me started on the Blues...Etta James alone is an idol

    Just saying...
    polarbare 05/25/2012 01:39 PM
  • not my opiion-rolling stone magazine in, i think, 2011 named "like a rolling stone" the number one greatest rock song. i can think of songs by other artists that i personally think are greater, but i don't have the clout or the market that rolling stone does, so who'd listen to me?
    rae121452 05/25/2012 11:02 AM