LET'S CALL IT "TWINKIEGATE"!

By Annie-Rose Strasser on Nov 16, 2012 at 3:50 pm

Today, Hostess Brands inc. — the company famed for its sickly sweet dessert snacks like Twinkies and Sno Balls — announced they’d be shuttering after more than eighty years of production.

But while headlines have been quick to blame unions for the downfall of the company there’s actually more to the story: While the company was filing for bankruptcy, for the second time, earlier this year, it actually tripled its CEO’s pay, and increased other executives’ compensation by as much as 80 percent.

At the time, creditors warned that the decision signaled an attempt to “sidestep” bankruptcy rules, potentially as a means for trying to keep the executive at a failing company. The Confectionery, Tobacco Workers & Grain Millers International Union pointed this out in their written reaction to the news that the business is closing:

BCTGM members are well aware that as the company was preparing to file for bankruptcy earlier this year, the then CEO of Hostess was awarded a 300 percent raise (from approximately $750,000 to $2,550,000) and at least nine other top executives of the company received massive pay raises. One such executive received a pay increase from $500,000 to $900,000 and another received one taking his salary from $375,000 to $656,256.

Certainly, the company agreed to an out-sized pension debt, but the decision to pay executives more while scorning employee contracts during a bankruptcy reflects a lack of good managerial judgement.

It also follows a trend of rising CEO pay in times of economic difficulty. At the manufacturing company Caterpillar, for example, they froze workers’ pay while boosting their CEO’s pay to $17 million. And at Citigroup, CEO Vikram Pandit received $6.7 million for crashing his company, walking off with $260 million after the business lost 88 percent of its value.

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BCTGM members are well aware that as the company was preparing to file for bankruptcy earlier this year, the then CEO of Hostess was awarded a 300 percent raise (from approximately $750,000 to $2,550,000) and at least nine other top executives of the company received massive pay raises. One such executive received a pay increase from $500,000 to $900,000 and another received one taking his salary from $375,000 to $656,256.

The CEO who received a pay raise of 300 percent while in the middle of filing for bankruptcy was eventually ousted by the Teamsters union, but the fact remained the company had to commit to restructuring if it was going to survive, and the Teamsters union agreed to make concessions on wages and healthcare contributions.

While highly critical of management missteps, the Teamsters agreed in September to major concessions, including cuts in wages and company contributions to health care. As part of the deal, the union was to receive a 25 percent share of the company’s stock and a $100 million claim in bankruptcy.

“The objective was to preserve jobs,” said Ken Hall, the Teamsters’ general secretary-treasurer. “When you have a company that’s in the financial situation that Hostess is, it’s just not possible to maintain everything you have.”

But that wasn’t the end of it.

The bakery union refused to agree to another round of concessions because it had already agreed to over $100 million in concessions, and after years of conceding to failed management, union members chose to strike rather than be beaten down any further.

BCTGM International Union President Frank Hurt stated, “The recent claim by Hostess CEO Greg Rayburn that our strike is the reason for the closure of the three bakeries is simply not true. That statement is a continuation of a disturbing pattern by the company of issuing public statements that are erroneous at best and disingenuous at worst. [...]

“Our members are on strike because they have had enough. They are not willing to take draconian wage and benefit cuts on top of the significant concessions they made in 2004 and give up their pension so that the Wall Street vulture capitalists in control of this company can walk away with millions of dollars.”

Over the past eight years since the first Hostess bankruptcy, BCTGM members have watched as money from previous concessions that was supposed to go towards capital investment, product development, plant improvement and new equipment, was squandered in executive bonuses, payouts to Wall Street investors and payments to high-priced attorneys and consultants.

DealBook reports that the private equity backers who lifted to company out of bankruptcy after it’s previous filing loaded the company up with too much debt to invest in the business, thus contributing to labor costs.

More from Reuters

The company filed for its first bankruptcy in 2004, citing declining sales, high food costs, excess capacity and worker benefit expenses. It tackled some issues – closing bakeries and simplifying some union contracts — but it did not deal with its debt. It went into the first bankruptcy with $648.5 million in debt, and came out with more than $800 million, according to court documents.

As a result, the company’s second bankruptcy– after less than three years under the control of private equity firm Ripplewood Holdings — came as no surprise to some workers.

Going on strike as the company was on the precipice of liquidation may not have helped matters, however after years of gross mismanagement, false promises, lavish executive pay, and concessions from the union, employees voted not to commit to another round of cuts to appease investors. Employees had already made repeated concessions over much of the past decade, and the company never turned a corner.

Executives and investors will now ride off into the sunset following the sale of company assets while 18,500 employees will lose their jobs.


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  • I guess this is pretty much last update on this:

    Bankruptcy judge gives Hostess OK to liquidate. General opinion is that few, if any, of those 18,500 jobs will come back with a buyer(s).

    The American Thinker piece had some interesting tidbits, but wasn't all that relevant. Of course Romney had nothing to do with this. And this isn't really a partisan issue. Robber barons come in all political persuasions. They're probably more likely to be Republican, because wealthy white people usually are, but there are undoubtedly plenty of Democratic ones as well.
    BearinFW 11/21/2012 08:55 PM
  • Really Erly American Thinker? Please stick with Fox! You really need to find some honest well fact checked information sites. Still no answer?
    barney290 11/21/2012 05:07 PM
  • Erly are you aware of who makes up these boards you say are the ones responsible for giving out the bonues? If you check many of these boards are made up of the same CEO's of other companies and it is old adage of these board members to I will wash your back if you wash mine so the thought that they are interested in the well being of the company or investors is lame. I know as I have been a memeber of many of these "boards". Kelly I applaud that you run your company so responsibly and have to agree with you about the earnings of the past music people but then isn't that the case with all of us that we can point to history and see where we were better off because of the suffering or death of those before us? labor got its benefits from men and women and children dying in factories. Phillip, it is not easy to take a company like Hostess and sit down and broker a deal when you let it disolve to this point in time. I have to say that this path was chosen a long time ago and any mediator would have a very difficult time trying to settle it now. Many labor contracts have precided this point and who knows what the prior language in those contracts and letters of understanding reflect in current events? In a company like Kelly's where there is communication up and down the ladder everyone knows where they and the company are to a point but in a company like Hostess I am sure this is not the case. Leadership is not something you learn in college or because youmade a lot of money but somehting you learn from life and some never do learn it. Because someone is wealthy doesn't make them a leader nor does being poor make you a non leader. I have learned a lot from the lowly worker and sometimes more than I ever did from supposedly powerful and wealthy people. Hey Erly never did get an answer: What do you do?
    barney290 11/21/2012 10:38 AM
  • well that's a shame...looks like we will be eating beer filled twinkies.....LOL...but Old Style? Gross...now if it were Miller, I'd be happy.
    kelleysiland 11/21/2012 01:24 AM
  • Just an update on "Twinkiegate":

    No deal. Hostess said it could not reach agreement with the bakers union in mediation today, talks are off, and it will ask the bankruptcy judge to allow it to liquidate on Wednesday.

    Reports last night were not clear on which side (or both?) were unyielding on this, but it seems like a compromise should have been reachable. But apparently one or both sides were too dug in.
    BearinFW 11/21/2012 12:54 AM
  • Round and round and about we go.
    david69er 11/20/2012 01:01 PM
  • Here's some reading for ya to learn how little entertainers make in their careers....Patti Page, This is my Song. The woman recorded records once a week and by the time the '70's came along, her management had stolen every cent she made and she was broke. Brenda Lee, Little Miss Dynamite....her manager died and she found out she OWED money to her record company and staff....she was broke. The Lost Supreme...Florence Ballard was fired from the group she helped form and bring to fame only to find herself penniless, living in the projects of Detroit and died with not even a dime to her name because management striped her down to nothing. Ingrid Croce, I Got A Name-The Jim Croce Story....he sang and toured for three years while they lived in a rental house in PA and struggled to feed themselves and drove second hand cars. Ingrid still, to this day, does not see a dime from his recordings. Read them and you will see how little these people make and how much they suffer. Leann Rimes had all the money she made gambled away by her manager father. Toni Braxton never saw a dime from her major hit "Unbreak My Heart" because her management took every dime on a bad contract.
    kelleysiland 11/20/2012 12:39 PM
  • as of yesterday:

    (Reuters) – Hostess Brands Inc, the maker of the iconic Twinkies snack cake, will square off in a bankruptcy court on Monday against an agent of the U.S. Justice Department, who says the wind-down plan is too generous to management.

    The U.S. Trustee, an agent of the U.S. Department of Justice who oversees bankruptcy cases, said in court documents it is opposed to the wind-down plan because Hostess plans improper bonuses to company insiders.

    The 82-year-old Hostess wants permission to pay senior management a bonus of up to 75 percent of their annual pay so they will stay on and help wind-down the business.

    More from Fortune

    “The cessation of … operations is not a simple matter of turning off the lights and shutting the doors,” the company wrote in a court filing. “A freefall shutdown and fire sale liquidation” could result in damaged production equipment and the “improper disposal” of waste, the company added.

    Under the plan, bonuses ranging from $7,400 to $130,500 will be paid to 19 executives. The company argues the bonuses are below market rates for such payments.
    rae121452 11/20/2012 06:18 AM
  • re: the difference between ceo's and actors, athetes, et al:

    actors, athletes, singers are offering a unique service based on a specific talent. a ceo is offering a service based on an ability. whether you like cher's singing or acting, she's unique. you can't hire another cher. brad pitt, whether you think he is a good actor or not, has a certain appearance and persona that people are willing to pay to see. you can't hire another brad pitt. even tho these people are unique, they are still employees. they are manufacturing a product which is then distributed by a corporation, whether a movie, a cd or a sporting event. they do not directly control the business around them. if a brad pitt movie fails to make money at the boxoffice, he doesn't have the power or leverage to award himself a 200% pay increase while the movie is tanking. if cher makes a bad record, she doesn't have the power to give the producer and arranger a 75% bonus while cutting the percentage of royalties that the musicians may be making. in addition to all of that, athletes, actors and singers have a finite shelf life in all cases. no one is going to see a justin bieber concert when he's 55 and he's not going to sell out a stadium if he does give one. no one is going to see a jennifer lopez movie if she gains 200 lbs and her hair falls out. if a ceo is any good, he can continue indefinitely in his job regardless of his looks, health or the changing tastes of the public. his product may fail but his ability to run the company shouldn't. a ceo is hired and rewarded based on a skill. an actor and singer are hired based on an ephemeral talent. the product that they produce is also ephemeral.
    i have a big problem, as i said before, with the pay rate of the entertainment and sports fields. nevertheless, i can't sing like cher or look like brad pitt. i can, however, go to business school and learn the skills necessary to make a good ceo. and so can a whole lot of other people. you can't go to school to learn to be cher.
    rae121452 11/20/2012 06:08 AM
  • BearinFW, I agree with you....I haven't been to a top billing concert sence Rick Astley....OMG!!!! I will not pay that kind of money for any concert....I don't care who the fuck it is. The same reason I will not go to a movie theatre. I will not pay $15 to $20 to see a movie which I can see on PPV, rent on red box or buy used on Amazon in a month after release. But you can't blame Hollywood for the economy. You just can't. I'm not a Madonna fan, I'm not a Jennifer Lopez fan, I'm not into Justin Beiber or Nicky Manaj or any of that shit.....do they have a right to earn a living, sure. but people like Patti Page, Pat Boone, Joni James, Leslie Gore, Petulia Clark, Patsie Cline, and the list goes on...of the people of the industry who are POOR today because of the big wigs who have stolen every penny they ever earned. And those people died rich while people like Florence Ballard of the Supremes died pennyless. Explain that. Expalin how Jim Croce's widow get's not a penny from his recordings. How Buddy Holly's wife get's not a penny from his recordings. It all lines the pockets so the big wigs. So if Hollywood's elete makes money today it's only because of the ass kickings that happened in the past. How do you think I made my money...no one owns my recordings.....I DO and fuck all the assholes at 20th Century Fox....I was smart.
    kelleysiland 11/20/2012 01:54 AM
  • And Phillip, let me say that I also value your questioning....we all have questions on matters such as this. It's upsetting that something so iconic as Hostess can let this happen....and I'm not trying to be right/left here, I'm trying to understand it myself. There is no right answer, there is no wrong answer, I guess. This kind of thing has been happening for years. It's only because of our political climate lately that this has become an issue. Hell, look at the recording industy...my experteese here. There were all these independant record companies in the 50's, 60's, and 70's that put out all this wonderful music. Now it's all overseas companies who own our music. And all that great "one hit wonder" stuff that sits in the back of your head and you wish you could hear just one more time was not important enought to release for us to enjoy again. Gone (or sitting in some warehouse rotting because it was never transfered to a digital mode). Our past is no longer gonna be part of OUR future or the next generation's future if we don't step up and see what we are loosing. I'm not trying to make this a fight.....someone else is. I value your opinion and your questions....as I do with others as well....this personal jabbing has really got me pissed off. People ask questions, people want answers but all others can do is jab. I gave you MY view.....not saying it's right, not saying it's wrong, only trying to give the facts, as a business owner, how I see this playing out. And thanks for the KIND shout out.
    kelleysiland 11/20/2012 01:02 AM
  • Hey, Erly. Look at it another way. The extremely high pay that some CEOs are getting now has tamped down criticism of athletes' and celebrities' pay. Remember when fans used to be outraged(!!!) that a baseball player was getting $100,000 a year? Now $20 million a year pay doesn't faze us.

    Personally, I think rock stars and the like are way overpaid, too, and as a result, I don't go to arena shows anymore. Sorry, but I wouldn't pay $1,000 a ticket to see God himself. With my ever-shrinking paycheck, I wouldn't be able to afford it even if I did want to. If I go see a musical act these days, it's usually a smaller act in a nightclub or honkytonk, where prices aren't so outrageous.

    In a lot of ways, at least with struggling companies, I would liken a CEO's job to that of an executioner. It's a job somebody is going to do for the money, but that doesn't mean I'm going to admire them for doing it.

    And I agree with Phillip on this point: CEOs are beholden to the Board and investors. NOT employees. So if cutting workers will raise stock prices ..... Sorry, but it's a bad business. Workers used to be part of the solution for companies. Now they're about like the office furniture.
    BearinFW 11/20/2012 12:53 AM
  • Oh, and Phillip, these lost exchanges are a way to fight with me because I've cut off the personal access to my profile so I don't have to deal with the sewage messages I get sent. I could comment on a blog about the weather and someone who, shall remain nameless because I have enough class to not mention anyone's name who comments negitive to my view, just likes to TRY to make themselves look good.
    kelleysiland 11/20/2012 12:04 AM
  • Sorry, Phillip, that is not true...I am a CEO, and the owner of my own company and I make my own salary, the salary of my my management...and the salary of my employees. I have 4 investors, other than myself...my ex, who still comes into the office everyday, and three private investors who each own 10%. We have been in business for 15 years and have wavered once, in 2008, for about 6 months. Never laid a single person off, never cut a single person's pay, never closed a single office (I have 17), never closed a single warehouse (I have 8), never had a single employee go on strike (I have 3000), make a good, but modest pay which I increase and decrease as needed by profits, own two MODEST homes, one here on the far NW side of Chicago and a summer home on Kelleys Island, Ohio, have 3 cars (2 Hyundai's and a '97 Ford truck), I vacation in Saugatuck, Michigan and Kelleys Island, Ohio, I walk my own dog, I mow my own grass, I cook my own meals, and I TAKE CARE OF MY EMPLOYEE'S!!!! Don't tell me a board tells ME how much I'm going to make, it don't work that way...never have, never will. Last year, my company did $17 million and we are on track to hit $22 million this year. I speak to every office, everyday. I sit with every employee, at least, 3 times a year. I know every job in every office and warehouse I own. AND I HAD NO IDEA WHAT I WAS GETTING INTO WHEN I GOT INTO IT. My employees took me in, reluctantly, and showed me how to work every aspect of my company. I don't sit in my office from 9 to 5, I work....that's what a boss does, that's what every CEO should do. Not a single one of my management team sits in an office all day....when the business is in full gear, WE ALL WORK! You run the business when you have a break in the day...don't wanna hear it. You got a cell phone and you have a deal to take care of, cool, do it while you are stocking shelves. My employees have no set amount of sick days or vacation days...you need it, you take it....paid....cuz I know you will give it back 3 fold, and they do. Our UPS guy's name is Gary, our FEDEX guy's name is Marc and our mailman's name is Wentrell. I don't wanna hear how bad the CEO's have it because of the worker, let's hear how bad the workers have it because of the CEO's. In 2008, I took a major pay cut just so my employees wouldn't loose their benifits. There are so many ways this Hostess thing could have been handled and this was, and is, being handled wrong.
    kelleysiland 11/19/2012 11:46 PM
  • And your stupidity is laughable, your ignorance is unbelievable, but above all, your hateful nature is getting somewhat old and very annoying. I guess I wouldn't put a picture in my profile either if I had all that going against me. Gotta hide all that behind something.
    kelleysiland 11/19/2012 08:41 PM
  • BTW, their bankruptcy judge has rejected Hostess' request to liquidate the company and ordered them into remediation with the bakers' union. So I guess now we'll see if Hostess even wants to stay open.
    BearinFW 11/19/2012 05:05 PM
  • And as in most "train wrecks" you always stop and look. Ya know, I have just figured out why they call winged animals "foul". Oh, and you don't get hangovers from good wine, unlike that Alabama moonshine.
    kelleysiland 11/19/2012 03:12 PM
  • Some CEOs work their way up; some are hired into the job. You have plenty of examples of both.

    As for Brad Pitt, he's not being paid $20 million to fire hundreds or even thousands of people. Brad isn't paid EXTRA money for his movie to fail. CEOs who fatten their bank accounts on the backs of working people don't get any respect from me, whether that's the system or not.
    BearinFW 11/19/2012 02:00 PM
  • I find it funny that when a CEO gets paid it is because he is so valuable but when Cher gets paid she doesn't deserve it because why? She can sell tickets,records and fill stadiums and the CEO can do what? Erly you begrudge a union man who gets to the top of his proffession a paycheck but not the CEO? Why not? One probably did it without a college degree! You really need to listen to men like Kelly and find out what really makes this world work. I for one have known several men like Kelly and they are a pleasure to do business with because they are honest business men who care about their business and their communities and not just about padding their wallets which you seem to applaud as the American Dream. What is it you actually do because I am dumbfounded on your take on life and the business world.
    barney290 11/19/2012 12:14 PM
  • Of course, maybe this guy is being well paid specifically to be a hatchet man. My company sent one of these down from corporate. He doesn't mingle with employees or in the community. I'm sure this is deliberate so that he doesn't get to know the people he is firing or the community he is having a negative impact on. But he doesn't deserve any sympathy. He's taking the big paycheck and he knows what he's doing. And if his day is a little unpleasant now and then, it's nothing compared to that of the people whose lives he's ruining.
    BearinFW 11/19/2012 01:42 AM
  • I agree BearinFW....I didn't see anyone trying hard enough for a solution to this problem. Your employee's walk out on strike and insted of talking and solving a problem, let's just close the door. Wow, if everything happend that way, we'd have no school systems. Hostess could have solved this problem a LONG time ago. But insted of dealing with the problem, they did what they wanted to do when they filed for bankrupsy prior. All I can say is, hello Little Debbie....I'd much prefer a nutty bar over a twinkie any day. I think we are gonna see Little Debbie twinkies, ding dongs and snowballs very soon. Wow, another minority running something big....Hello 2016 and a new President Clinton. First black, than female. Buy Hostess Little Debbie and put the big fat cats into a minority name.
    kelleysiland 11/19/2012 01:32 AM
  • Hostess isn't the first corporation to do this and it won't be the last. Unfortunately, it's part of the current trend, and why don't conservatives speak out against it? Sure, this country is supposed to be about free enterprise. So why are high corporate executives from *FAILING* companies being richly rewarded, often with raises or bonuses? And at the same time, they are laying off workers or demanding that workers take cuts in pay, benefits, and retirement compensation. Fooey, Erly, and it's indefensible. Wage-earning employees are feeling an outsized share of the economic pain, and when things are going well, they get a shrinking share of the rewards. This simply isn't a fair or democratic situation.

    And I don't want to imply that the union is blameless in this fiasco. But it's VERY obvious that management didn't try very hard to keep this company going and probably preferred to pull the plug on it. Be interesting to see what kind of exit package the CEO gets :)
    BearinFW 11/19/2012 01:13 AM
  • I have bitten my tongue throught this whole polictal season and I could hold back no longer. I had to be honest about myself and the way I feel. When we are taking issues like twinkies and turning them into a political statement...... some ho-ho's are starting to look like ding dongs and the zingers are starting to snowball. DAMN I can't believe that came off the top of my head that quickly.....Ok waiter, another glass of wine, I'm on a roll. Small wonders.
    kelleysiland 11/19/2012 12:21 AM
  • Rae, let me just say, I live down the street from one of the plants that closed down and I supported the workers on strike. I hate to toot a horn here but, at this point I have to when the HEAVY right wing crap keeps coming up in no matter what blog is posted....weather it has to do with twinkies or cock size, someone on this site has to make a comment about the left or the right. It's getting rediculous. So, for rae's sake, and my own, and for all those who are liberal, this is for you. I am a Warren Buffet liberal. I AM part of the 1% and am not happy about how the working class in this country are treated. I am fortunate to have what I have. I made my money the right way, I earned it by working my ass off. My family, not so much. I grew up poor. I worked hard to earn what I have today. My father didn't and still don't but does my father and mother have to work for anything? No. Do my syblings have to work for anything? No. They have been taken care of but I've seen them ALL struggle working for the big shots, the CEO's of this world only to be shot down every single time. I am a lucky man to be in this position in my young/old age of 52. The right wants to see my family fail. Please, TAX ME U.S. government....TAX ME!!!! Let me do my FAIR SHARE of helping out this country. No, the republican party wants me to get RICHER!!!! I'm sorry to those of either side for, what may seem like bragging. I don't like to talk about my good fortune. But it pisses me off to see my family and friends struggle for working so hard and never even treading water. DAMN the next thing you know there will be a blog on how much smaller the right wing's cocks are because the left wing is being given gifts of "big dick" genes by Obama so that the right can't have big dicks. This shit is rediculous! Move on. We all know our bosses are making a lot more money than we are, weather they deserve it or not. But there is no reason why the working middle and lower class should be kicked in the fucking nuts while the big wigs are sitting in their offices raking it in and never lifting a finger. I am a CEO who goes into the mix, learns everything from packing and shipping a package to answering phones to cleaning the fucking toilets. I wanna see the right holding a toilet brush or dealing with you UPS man. You can't be on the upper level and understand what your money makers are going through unless you are ON THAT FUCKING FLOOR LEARNING THE JOB AND TALKING TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM AND KNOWING THEIR PLIGHT!!! They need to be down there everyday with those people, have lunch with them, listen to them. I don't go out to lunch...I pack a brown bag every fucking day with as sandwich and an apple and sit in the break room with my employees!!!! I'm working with them and for them, not against them. That's why my employees are with me for 20 and 30 years. That's why I'm where I am today and I NEVER FORGET THEM. Believing in men like Warren and Barach has changed my life and my future. Quit the fucking rich ass biggoted talk. It's sickening.
    kelleysiland 11/18/2012 11:50 PM
  • erly, sugarplum, you're just being contrary! i, for one, have a big problem with the salaries in all of the fields you mention. knowing how you feel that the country is on the brink of armageddon, i bet thet YOU would have a BIG problem if the top government officials suddenly tripled their own pay while refusing to honor government workers pension plans.
    one of the hostess factories that closed is here in my town. the front page story of the newspaper had a story of a woman who workef the line at the plant for 35 years and was laid off. same with a truckdriver of 18 years. he came back from a run out of state and was told his job was over.
    and i think (but i'm not positive) that the ceo who tripled his own salary was brought in from kraft foods, not promoted in house.
    rae121452 11/18/2012 09:46 PM
  • RAE: Thanks for that update and information on the executive department's salaries. U have failed to mention the onerous work rules that the company had (Twinkies could NOT be transported in the same truck at the same time as the Yodels) for instance; and the driver did NOT have to assist in offloading the product at the stores. And agreed--the company bought into those stupid rules to its detriment.

    If what U say is true, I'd certainly be in favor of a "setback" (perhaps 2 years or so) in the salary for ALL PERSONNEL in companies that go belly up after having either been bailed out by the government (not Hostess--but certainly other companies) or who have declared bankruptcy after staff had been been paid so handsomely. The money being given back only to help offset the creditors' losses.

    In addition, ANY COMPANY that has declared bankruptcy should be disallowed in increasing salaries for ANYONE except a normal COL increase based on the standerd social security model.

    Panditt should be prosecuted!
    ilikemeninjocks 11/18/2012 09:26 PM
  • ERLYBD please give us the link to the article which documents how these management types started as bakers and route-delivery men.

    You live in a dream world!
    PDQuesnell 11/18/2012 08:04 PM